Exactly. But really its just saying that a living wage is what a 23 year old with no debt and no dependents and mommy/daddy insurance needs while he works his way up, but other workers need to fix their aging teeth with duct tape, drop the kids off at the mall in another state, and stop being so demanding. Thats not really relevant here. Then company A contacted me about scheduling the next round of interviews. I ended up getting a lot of knitting done in between completing the well, you will do it right tasks, like creating training binders, reorganizing files, other busywork. Company A called me one year later as they were expanding and wanted to know if I would be interested. There might be some advanced-level tips and tricks they dont know, that shouldve been an email. Either way, its going to be the same people all the time and there is no way to address the people who dont want to work overtime because they arent actually required to work overtime unless I assign it to them because they are the least senior. Constant IT trainings are disrupting our work. Maybe LW1 IS Brenda???? I can see the surprise make a lot more sense of OP is unaware she is being listed as a surprise reference. Im just picturing this from ITs side: we send out training emails but our employees think that because they know the 10% of the program they use the most, they dont need to learn the rest! Meant to reply to another one addressing LW4. If OP really values here, try and figure out how to make it work with her instead of going Shes just a secretary.. These are really disruptive to my workflow and the workflows of my colleagues, and I often find myself having to rush at the end of the day/end of the week to get all of my real work done. Ive also had relatives work for well thought of branches in blue states that actually appreciate civil servants and the work they do. You have my sincere condolences; I wouldnt last long there. This isnt too say you shouldnt be mindful of your reputation & how you come across, but just put the focus on what you can control, which is your own behavior and communication. Your manager needs to manage! What if That Person Who Knows The Thing leaves the company suddenly? Ive come across many, many of these type of tasks in various roles, and its silly to spend lots of time documenting something you might not use for months or years and that may change in that time. Itll play itself boringly through and you have then done the training without needing to argue with some higherup whose KPIs are based on everybody doing the training. Its why a software engineer in the Bay Area is going to be paid substantially more than the same level software engineer in Provo, Utah. In his eyes, you're just another uncompetitive employee who got this job by luck. (Separately, I also dont agree with the statement that situations like in this letter are always caused by [] lack of motivation and that, in turn, that is always a result of poor management and/or low pay/poor conditions, but I feel like thats actually a separate issue. Unless . It also duplicates things that are covered in other company wide training, but because it is a requirement for an external accreditation which is essential to us, we cant not use it or switch providers. Some companies do OHSA training (I used to sit through yearly hazardous material training even though the closest we got to hazardous materials was the taco bell down the street), some companies do cybersecurity (everyone uses email!). I remember getting a review back and being told I was working *too well* and needed to dial it back as to not put undue expectations on other coworkers. I still clock about 45 hours a week) because it got me absolutely nothing but more work while my smarter coworkers were working 7 hours a day with fewer tasks and responsibilities and getting raises. They need to push for an actual decision on where responsibility for this task sits. Yeah, this is less about the coworkers and more about the management not managing. Even worse is a boss who is demeaning, fails to listen to you, or doesn't value your input, causing you to withdraw. As her temp assignment ended, we had a secretary opening in our business office. Especially since its possible (likely?) Honestly, this letter steamed me. Want to see the other articles in this list? Your boss can ask whoever orders and pays for the trainings to get a transcript from the vendor. I dont see a problem here. The sort where I watch an 80 minute meeting only some of which is relevant to meand cant ask questions, because its a recordingare way less useful. I finally retired after 20+ years, and it never improved in all the time I worked there. #3 but isnt this just the height of chutzpah? In a surprise move, the Bank of England decided to raise its interest rate by 50 base points, instead of 25. In fact, its often a good idea to stay very positive and pleasant even while declining or getting rejected. It seems like several hours per week is quite a lot of training (required or suggested). And OP was listed as a reference because she has worked with Brenda before. But faking it is not going to help (so in this sense the common wisdom is wrong), and depending on the industry or even just the particular team, its possible to overdo it. The two situations are not the same. You are performing substantially different job duties for the same position and a good union would look into that. updates: coworker prayed Ill return to Jesus, the awful corporate jargon, and more. Passed the test on first attempt too. Then team B just stopped doing any of their admin stuff themselves and just expected me to do all of it. What I do mind is answering the same questions, over and over again. Step One: Assess the Situation and Don't Flip Out. Unfortunately, the LWs company cant meet her salary needs at this time, but no one is doing anything wrong here. My Dear Boss, a free online Action game brought to you by Armor Games. If that has changed, let her know, but I dont see the point in being offended just yet. if thats the case then they need to have some sort of database that is searchable and has help files that people can read, along with short video clips of how to do something. Nah, I dont think its sad. (I finally did the one training by not watching it at all, and when the questions came up, googling the answers. I asked him if it was expected of my manager seeing as it was his job why he didnt complete it and why I, 2 grades and 20k under my manager, should do it. You may be interested in continuing to do the additional work, either to increase your leverage when asking for a raise or promotion or to develop new skills you can use to progress. THIS. Exploitation exists, and its not usually the fault of the exploited person. Also, that line about Brendas attempt to work in another field not paying well regardless about what OP thinks about that field or its salary, fact is Brenda now has more experience than before she left. On the other hand, there are lots of things I would like to know more about and that would help me do a better job! For the most part, you and your colleagues get along fairly well. Who they automatically trust. And she could even be trying to patch together better- than- minimum by working two jobs. I think your only solution is to decide what youre happy with doing, and dont take on more work if it just makes you resentful. if he asked for the time off without any explanation, its possible the boss didnt want to let him have that time off if it was a bad time). Ask your HR department for more information while providing bland generalities.). (And if they assume that you were happy to carry the task over since itss been two years and youve carried on doing it, make clear that you arent, and ask them to speak with the old department to arrange to formally hand it back, which might involve you being willing to do some handover notes and/or training with whoever will be responsible in future. Not your problem as to who does it or how it gets done (I mean it is in fact your problem, but not its not up to you to figure it out). If IT could break things into smaller time segments, you could take a few minutes, watch a video, and easily return back to your regularly scheduled programming. Sometimes, "favorites" remain where they are and definitely are promoted up the ladder. In other places, they wont have the power to do that themselves, and will need to go to their manager and say, TG is still sticking handles on six months after leaving Pottery Pottery simply wont assign someone to do that work. LW1 seems to be putting the ultimate responsibility on management where it belongs here: Most of of my teammates are not at all interested in learning new things or even how do to their jobs correctly. Maybe 75 minutes training on Google calendar will seem less worthwhile when there is a six or seven figure price tag attached to it. If theyre underpaying their employees for the work and the area, yeah pay up. If shes that great, I do hope you will give her the glowing reference, she deserves. 4. Administrative positions are very typically paid for via unrestricted donations as opposed to program grants, and those dollars are intended to cover a very large range of costs. Couldnt answer. While all of these topics are important and many are applicable to many types of employees, I doubt the IT folks working in their offices need the same training about hazardous drugs that I need as an RN! Cant ask questions, cant easily skim to the part you need, cant google a term youre not sure about because its audio and you cant see the spelling, etc etc etc, I know its easier to film a lecture or a clip of someone doing the thing, but developing actual useful reference materials does not end there. I am not a career advisor and this is just a humble insight from my own experience. Exactly! If Y is the market rate, they simply cannot come to an agreement, but it doesnt mean either is being a jerk. I work in a very small MSP now (15-20 people), so its fairly easy to track whos sat through what. I cringed for the poor job applicant doing 6 months of training for work shes passionate about, only to discover after sinking all that time (and I imagine loans) into it that she cant earn a living wage with this certification. Your High-Hat Boss Thinks You're Dumb. IT might figure it isnt their job to help people with their queries.. but if it is their problem then they need to solve it with a much narrower brush, because spamming people with training will definitely fail. But if she learned any lessons from that, Look hard at the money upfront should be one takeaway. Thats what OP should do if Brenda gets a better offer, IMO. Will it have an impact on your department if it doesnt get done? However, thatd likely cost money, which is most probably why they are resorting to awful videos instead. After several minutes of trying to articulate exactly what she wanted to say, she blurted out, "Bottom line: I shouldn't be working for my supervisor. (I feel quite strongly about this because someone in power at my institution used this exact quote to tell women academics that they should just stop having most of the service work piled on them, as though the problems of institutional culture and practice were really individual choices by the people being burdened.). I swear tutorials and trainings that actually TRAIN and TEACH are becoming extinct now that capturing a clip of someone just doing the thing is so easy. Only beating out unemployed. Why the heck do I need to be able to regurgitate which section of 21 CFR is about data management? So while many realities may have been tightly budgeted, having that job didnt mean they also had to live with 4 roommates or forgo all vacations. Now, LW1 might be able to say I cant do that extra work/I cant take that assignment. Recognize your emotions; appreciate them. Then move on. Big benefit if youre in environmental compliance! 90% of the people in the building are armed. So the flood of expected applicants is a mere drip, and the one candidate who was called for interview, who has the skills we need, has been dismissed as too expensive. Yeah. Also, as much as I hate the stereotype of government workers are lazy and you cant fire them because theyre in a unionthe kernel of truth in that nasty stereotype DOES lead to. She will never manage anyone. For nonprofit jobs this very often is just not that easy. Its LW#3. I really hope that both LW1 and Brenda find work at places that appreciate and properly compensate their work. I would spend the rest of my life thinking about that. Yeah, Ive recently been thinking that Im not loving the you dont have a coworker problem, you have a management problem narrative that gets brought up here pretty often. Why is this Chutzpah at all? Ditto. #1, theres also option d: Im happy to help with X & Y but I wont be able to do Z on top of my regular workload. Big fan of that one. Ultimately you cant control what people think, and there will inevitably be some who choose to think the worst of you or draw the wrong conclusions about you. Or theres always (c) go elsewhere if you get sufficiently fed up. Here's what to do when your toxic boss makes work (and life - CNBC All that said dusting off your resume and looking elsewhere is also a good plan which may also net you a raise. Some people may guess that both work the same, but others will be too nervous to do the process incorrectly which could cause other issues other than briefly conversing with someone who is an expert on the system. Sometimes we do care about retaining a relationship, and believe the other person will react to a refusal on our part with more consequences than we care to experience. No, slower than that., which is just painful for me as someone who reads text pretty much automatically and much faster than I can listen. I believe this also holds the hiring manager responsible for equal pay.. This has basically been my entire career. If its Microsoft software and your employer is cheap, youll get a decade out of your Teams/Office version knowledge. Talk to your manager The way you found out about the pay discrepancy whether it was through the rumor mill or because a document was mistakenly left on the copy machine is not relevant. Boss is giving the assignments and normally not doing what boss wants is not a great idea. Im going through this at the moment. As her most recent employer, youll probably get several reference requests. To a point, I agree that poor performance is often a reflection of poor management or environment. I dont learn procedures from watching a video, I learn from doing the thing, so this would be doubly a waste of time for me. Ideally, its something that you can stop if the webinar addresses something important or new to me. I dont think it should ever really be a surprise when a former employee lists you as a reference, much less rising to the level of offense that OP3 seems to have. I went through one where the training made a big deal about differentiating which instances of something were required by our regulatory body and which were required by agency policy. He should be working for me." Ive always learned the technology I need right now a training system that allows people to do that would be helpful. People working in that department were treated monstrously poorly. suggest that your manager takes it up the chain and asks for clarity (asking for clarity is a good strategy when people are failing to manage and you dont have the power to make a decision.) Usually identical to the ones from last year. update: is my job the problem or is it me? Is that assignment part of Project X? Back to the opposite now. #3 you are taking this way too personally. I ended up giving my notice before ever hearing back, so it was a moot point., Today Erin works for Recruiterbox, the online recruiting and resume management software company, and says she would advise companies to be more transparent about salaries. Exactly this. Alternatively, since Brenda seems truly fantastic, is there another position for her in the company that would be worth paying her requested amount. They were being actively punished for being part of the evil welfare state that the bosses won so many political points for opposing. Anyone? . Win-win! If I offer to help someone with something and they take advantage of my kindness, I did not give them permission to abuse my kindness. They are your bosss. You? These actions, of course, are not advisable. Alisons advice rings so true to me also because I *have* brought up how detrimental it is to rely on me as the only person who can do X task because I wont be here forever, and the response is, as above, a shrug and what can you do.. His boss agreed to give him a 5% increase. Not a good scene--and time to paint a portrait of a better one elsewhere. Im glad your grandboss went off on them and read them the riot act. Remember that the reason you get paid less is because the company took a chance on you. If you documented it and you can include a description of where the documentation is each time that helps. The timing of this just happens to not be the best for you. Most of of my teammates are not at all interested in learning new things or even how do to their jobs correctly. Maybe just good (rather than great) is what they need for this position. If she cant figure out who to talk to, then she should talk to her own manager but someone with authority needs to step in and say no more. Went. Ive recently started looking for other employment and have some interviews coming up which I hope will result in another job. Your coworkers are not your responsibility. A 75 minute training session for Compliance makes sense. The weight of the whole department shouldnt fall on you. She moved back to our state and of course we asked if she wanted to come back. You dont have the same job. At least I havent had to do the how not to bribe foreign officials training in a while. My productivity was off the charts and I was told to slow down as it made everyone else on my team look bad. She didnt wait long to speak with her manager about the discrepancy, but the response was surprise, Erin recalls. I remember a week during my music school days when all I had to live on was toast, tea, and a package of cheap bacon. But that would mean IT now has to take time out of their day to do that. I feel like these trainings exist to document that employees Have Been Told The Rules. If you are doing higher level work there is a chance that the position might be able to be reclassified as a higher level position. These videos are usually of the format of slideshow of bullet points, with vaguely stock images, and someone is reading the slides aloud to you. Its unclear from what we know if what Brenda was getting at was youre not offering a living wage for this role vs her personal budget wouldnt allow it. It sounds like when she moved away she found out her options werent great so she wanted to return to the area. I'm a subscriber, but I don't have an HBR.org account. Its #2, now. Students from backgrounds where they could get degrees without student loans or have their parents make those payments can handle those early jobs until they make it further..but it sucks. Im an avid reader though. Just because she worked somewhere before doesnt mean that the former workplace has right of first refusal on her career. Also as you are suffering burnout you need to reduce your workload to whats normal for one person and the number of hours a week you work. Just wish her well. People wont retain in.
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